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Supreme Court endorses public prayers at New York town’s council meetings

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NEW YORK — The Supreme Court gave limited approval on Monday to public prayers at New York town’s board meetings, citing the country’s history of religious acknowledgment in the legislature.

The 5-4 ruling came in yet another contentious case over the intersection of faith and the civic arena.

It was confined to the specific circumstances and offered little guidance on how other communities should offer civic prayers without violating the Constitution.

Two local women brought suit against officials in Greece, New York, objecting to invocations at monthly public sessions on government property.

The invocations, according to the plaintiffs, have been overwhelmingly Christian in nature over the years.

14 comments

  • Cripes_A_Mighty

    All the bible thumpers will praise this decision by our biased Supreme Court, but what would they say if each meeting was started with a Muslim prayer from the Koran? What would they say if it was started with a Jewish prayer? What would they say if it was started with a prayer from any other religion except Christian?

    It that were to happen, the religious right would scream at the top of their lungs that their religion was under assault, Once again, Christians force their religion on everyone else without regard if it infringes on the religious rights of others.

    Do you know what Christians really fear? That more people will come to understand that God is only make believe for people who cannot get over the fact that humans are like every other species on earth and when we die, that’s it. No Christian retirement community in the sky…

    • Thomas Christopher

      Wow, Cripes…..a lot of hate, intolerance, and bigotry in your rant against a religious faith that you undoubtedly despise. Normally, I would respond in a sensible, reasonable manner to such a hate-filled tirade, but as seen in your irrational hate for something that you have no tolerance for whatsoever, I won’t even waste my time on such a hopeless endeavor. But I’ll tell you what I will do….I will pray for you and hope that, if nothing else, you will learn to be more tolerant of a religious faith that you clearly detest and have little understanding of…. COEXIST (I hope).

    • Richard Nance

      Hey Genius this is America, we have prayer not muslim prayer, not Jewish prayer, if those Foreigners want to have prayer they can go to their own events or back to their own countries, hell, if you had prayer from all the different faiths in this country the meeting would never start, plus if you want to hear Prayers from different faiths that’s your business but don’t demonize God’s Prayers & I don’t believe that Prayer is done by just Republicans, I think there are a few Democrats left that Pray as well & hopefully you will go to Hell soon, crying the entire way….

      • Cripes_A_Mighty

        Richard, your comments are amazing. According to you, if anyone wants to practice a religion other than Christian, they need to go back to their own country? What if they were born here, just like their parents? Where do they need to go?

        Personally, I love when people make absurd comments that show everyone who they really are. The hate, intolerance and bigotry is clearly shown in your comments and proves my point on every level.

    • Ty Raid @WM2793

      Hey cripes here’s what I don’t get about you and the rest of the America hating ACLU accolytes ,you jump on the bandwagon to support LGBT rights yet you try to crucifyl some guy on some duck show.
      For some reason it’s ok for people like yourself to try and suppress his right to free speech yet you insist on your right to be heard.
      You know you’re a fascist , right.
      You’re a bigot against anyone who doesn’t believe in the same thing you do.
      You love the Muslim culture so much why don’t you go live in Iran.
      Let’s see how well they tolerate your bs over there.
      While you’re at it take your anti-American friends.
      Listen pal, this country was founded in judeo-Christian roots but you and you whining sniveling liberal loving friends can’t take the fact that the supreme court got a call right for a change.
      You are a disgrace to America.
      Your little tiny brain can’t accept the fact that there IS a higher power.
      The worst thing about you,however, is you try the shoe on the other foot line of reasoning when it doesn’t apply.
      You and the rest of your God hating America hating little whiny are the problem not the solution creep.

      • Cripes_A_Mighty

        Ugh, the was a pretty over the top rant on your part. Are you on medications or something? If not, you should be.

        Anyway, thanks for sharing you comments with us, it was enlightening…

  • Cripes_A_Mighty

    Hate? Intolerance? Bigotry?

    Do you even know what those words mean? Since you said it, how about you clearly define my hate, intolerance, and bigotry!

    All I really said is that Christians are happy as long as their religion is promoted but when someone of a different religion or an atheist wants the same protection or right, you Christians scream at the top of your lungs. I don’t believe in your God, so that means I am full of hate and intolerance? I believe that the same rules should apply to all, but when I suggest that you would scream if a government meeting was opened by any other religion than Christianity, you label me as a bigot? No, if anyone is full of hate, intolerance and bigotry, it is you.

    So Thomas, if a government entity opened a meeting with a Muslim prayer from the Koran, you would be okay with that? If a government meeting was opened with a prayer or chant from a Buddhist teaching, you would be okay with that? If a government meeting opened with a prayer of the Jewish religion, you would be okay with that?

    My guess is that if any government meeting was opened with a prayer from any other religion than Christian, you would be screaming all the way back to the Supreme Court that your rights were being violated. In doing so, the hate, intolerance,and bigotry are yours, not mine.

    I believe in the separation of church and state and I don’t force my religion or lack thereof on anyone, unlike you. By the way, do you have any PROOF that God exists other than what you choose to believe? You know, science that supports your theory? If you do, provide the proof…

    • Ty Raid @WM2793

      Go live in Tehran then ,jerk.
      Another one of your laundry list of problems is that you probably have never done a dawn thing to serve this country.
      YOU’RE PATHETIC.

      • Cripes_A_Mighty

        Ty,

        The difference between you and I are vast, but the most notable difference is that I believe in equality and you do not. Like most Christians, if anyone disagree with your religious bigotry, you want to see them burn in hell. That is simply a lack of tolerance on your part and if you really observed religious principles like your savior Jesus did, you would not think, talk, or act that way. So much for your religious principles…

        By the way, I am a typical American who retired from the military. I served my country like many before me, though I never looked down upon those who didn’t server their country in this manner. Nice try trying to suggest otherwise.

        What has become clear is that you are intolerant of others who do not share your opinion and when that becomes clear to you, your react with hateful comments and aspersions to the character and beliefs of others.

        Again, thanks for your comments.

    • Ty Raid @WM2793

      Hey, Einstein let me explain it so even you can understand it then maybe you can go explain it to the rest of the short bus riders . All separation of church and state means is that there will be NO STATE SPONSORED RELIGION. It doesn’t mean we’re not to acknowledge our heritage, and that this country was founded in Christian roots

  • Vasu Murti

    The government of England favors one belief system (Anglican) over another (atheism) and the minority is told to either deal with it or get out, they can leave and live elsewhere, etc.

    As my friend Jesse Horner said, “That’s what they said about the Jews!”

    (And the Christians have the gall to claim they “cover” or “do unto others…”)

    Since it’s founding over two hundred years ago, the United States has been a haven for those fleeing religious discrimination and persecution in Europe. The United States was founded as a SECULAR society, neutral towards all religious belief AND disbelief.

    In 1787 when the framers excluded all mention of God from the Constitution, they were widely denounced as immoral and the document was denounced as godless, which is precisely what it is. Opponents of the Constitution challenged ratifying conventions in nearly every state, calling attention to Article VI, Section 3: “No religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

    An anti-federalist in North Carolina wrote: “The exclusion of religious tests is by many thought dangerous and impolitic. Pagans, Deists and Mohammedans might obtain office among us.” Amos Singletary of Massachussetts, one of the most outspoken critics of the Constitution, said that he “hoped to see Christians (in power), yet by the Constitution, a papist or an infidel was as eligible as they.”

    Luther Martin, a Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wrote that “there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief in the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country, it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.”

    Martin’s report shows that a “Christian nation” faction had its say during the convention, and that its views were consciously rejected.

    The United States Constitution is a completely secular political document. It begins “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God,” “Jesus,” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as the “no religious test” clause (Article VI), and “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” (First Amendment)

    The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase “so help me God” or any requirement to swear on a Bible (Article II, Section 1). The words “under God” did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them.

    Similarly, “In God we Trust” was absent from paper currency before 1956, though it did appear on some coins beginning in 1864. The original U.S. motto, written by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is “E Pluribus Unum” (“Of Many, One”) celebrating plurality and diversity.

    In 1797, America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that “the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington’s presidency and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

    We are not governed by the Declaration of Independence. Its purpose was to “dissolve the political bonds,” not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based upon the idea that “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority.

    The Declaration deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, etc., and doesn’t discuss religion at all. The references to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence” in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Its author, Thomas Jefferson, was a Deist, opposed to Christianity and the supernatural.

    “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus,” wrote Thomas Jefferson. However, Jefferson admitted, “In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man and that other parts are the fabric of very inferior minds…”

    It was Thomas Jefferson who established the separation of church and state. Jefferson was deeply suspicious of religion and of clergy wielding political power.

    Jefferson helped create the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786, incurring the wrath of Christians by his fervent defense of toleration of atheists:

    “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are only injurious to others. But it does no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

    Yes. Neutrality. The government must remain laissez-faire towards all belief AND disbelief.

    The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    • Cripes_A_Mighty

      Vasu,

      Next time you want to comment, try writing your own words instead of plagiarizing them from other sources. That is copyright theft and I’m sure that is against your religious principles right?

      • Mark

        I’m Christian and have no problem if other want to practice their own religion . Do I think their religion is right ? Absolutely not . But they have just as much right as I do . That being said I do hate how lately you hear people bringing down Christianity while praising Islam , Which supports very limited rights for woman as well as letting girls get married and raped before they even hit 10 years old . Don’t believe it ? look it up . As long as I can worship my GOD Others can worship theirs as far as I’m concerned .

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